i wanted to explain some thoughts i have regarding the concerns that some fans have expressed about our sanada san's career direction.
please understand that this is ONLY my personal opinion. but it IS based on FACT, research and a small bit
of understanding about some of the intricacies of the industry.
i want to preface these comments with the statement that i would LOVE to see our hiro in a STARRING role, and quite honestly, in a JAPANESE role, because i love his voice....and it is so wonderful to hear the ease of his articulation and expression, when he has an opportunity to speak in his native tongue.
altho i like his contemporary japanese roles, the edo period roles are my FAVORITE, as his grace and strength are a sight to behold! :) and of course, ANY film where sanada san has more "screen time", would ALWAYS be welcomed!
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it completely breaks my heart when i know that had hiro been 10 years younger, the options for his exposure would
have been COMPLETELY different (and easier), and MUCH broader, in this time of technology. also, quite frankly, with the ASIAN factor being more of a "trend", as we develop a more global awareness....the industry is 'opening'....but still, LARGE barriers exist.
but what is SO IMPORTANT to understand about our guy is that HE is SUCH a TRAIL BLAZER in his efforts to BREAK DOWN those BARRIERS. (or as he calls it...build bridges) it is BEYOND courageous of him....i cannot imagine the strength of character it has taken for him to PERSEVERE with such earnestness, and steadfastness. TRULY remarkable. and to know that a big part of his INTENT is to OPEN those doors for actors who are 10 years or more YOUNGER than he is, so that it will be EASIER for THEM....i mean, the dude really IS a hero.
i know that many fans are concerned about the direction hiro's career is taking, and while i recognize how it may be PERCEIVED....i personally, am ABSOLUTELY AMAZED by what our guy has been able to accomplish, in such a short period of time! AND the TRULY astounding thing is that he is doing this, in a variety of roles....AND in FOREIGN (to him) languages! not just ONE, (english) but TWO! (mandarin chinese) (i believe it was jane, from michelle yeoh, who told me that michelle, chow yun fat and tony leung chu wai are/were OFTEN dubbed in mandarin!)
hiro tackling the language barrier is such a feat, as this is being accomplished WITHOUT HIRO HAVING HAD THE BENEFIT OF HAVING EVER LIVED ('grown up' or 'schooled') IN THE UNITED STATES OR BRITAIN!!! the asian actors who are proficient in english skills ALL were either born in hong kong - (british rule) - AND/OR spent several years of their youth LIVING in england! (maggie cheung born hong kong, moved to britain at age 8 , michelle yeoh born malaysia, spoke english and malasian prior to speaking chinese, tony leung chu wai, born hong kong, chow yun fat, born hong kong)
it makes me so sad when i hear people worrying that his career is on the decline, because that is not how i view it.
(and certainly, i am no expert)
but sometimes i feel that we need to remember that what he did (by CHOICE) was to move OUT of his COMFORT zone and take on the challenge of carving out a 'NEW' path. (hiro is libra, but i believe he has many planets in scorpio, and part of their nature is to 'transform' and 'regenerate'....so this urge in him has ALWAYS been present).
remember the LEAP of faith he took, when, he was already an established ACTION STAR.... and he changed directions, and took on the serious acting roles? (was it mahjong movie?).
back then, he was willing to work from the ground up. and he took a WIDE variety of roles, (NOT all of them STARRING roles)....for the experience of learning, etc.
his 'second' phase of acting in japan took him to t.v. roles as well....and if i can recall misty's breakdown of hiro's career, he even had a 'stalled' phase...and was it the t.v. series a story of love, that led to RINGU, and brought him BACK to the public eye, and a NEW resurgence?
his japan career is NOT what i know, except thru the generous amounts of information and analysis that michi san has shared with us. i just feel that if we can think back on the journey he took with THAT phase of his career....we can trust more of what THIS next incarnation of hiro's career will lead to. and remember...THAT phase, was in JAPAN (so he already had the recognition factor in place) ...AND IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. hiro was NOT KNOWN here in hollywood!
so altho it might NOT SEEM like it...when i began to 'study' this subject...it's really unbelievable what he is steadily accomplishing....(IMO)
this is a 3 part blog...in honor of hiro's 3rd phase of his career. (not counting his 'child year's....)
so stay tuned as i share with you next, the 'backdrop' of asian actors in hollywood. thanks to you tube....it will be so fascinating to get the 'true picture'. so....until part deux....adieu...
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for some reason i had a feeling that you would write this post and i know the reason. ;-) really it is so great to read other people's thoughts.
i am selfish when it comes to hiro because i always wanted him the way i liked him the most (i hope that this does not make me a second rated hiro fan because i really do care about him and his career with all of my heart). i can deny that i love hiro in japanese movies, to hear him talking in his mother tomgue, it is just heaven for me
but i also noticed hiro needed this great shake up in his career. i think that he has done all he could for japanese entertainment and now he wants to experience the world cinema. no matter which one.
doing this does not mean that he has turned against his background and culture and NEVER makes him hungry for fame or anything else. simply hiro is just a unique person that likes to better himself in everything he does. he is just perfectionist. he likes to learn and expereince and teach what ever he can. there is nothing wrong with. it is something to be admired for. that is why i LOVE him.
i can't wait for your part 2...
oh, it's so nice to hear your thoughts about this subject, my dear. i decided to write this because SO MANY fans of his are expressing their concerns and it truly makes me sad, because i sometimes feel that people are missing the BIG PICTURE (no movie pun intended...hee hee). what this man is doing is going to benefit so many OTHER asian actors in the future. (hmmm...might there be ONE younger asian actor in particular?) :) (could not resist).
issy...you will REALLY see what i mean when i get part 2 posted. :)
i am posting it on vox because i can illustrate this subject better with the use of pics or video clips here. but i'm glad you think maybe it would be okay for shin forum. when i complete the entire blog, i'll see if i can maybe post a link?
now...issy chan...WOW..you have been SO MUCH HELP to jamie and SHIN forum. my GOODNESS. i need to make a post over there to thank you!
AMAZING JOB, hon. it's SO NICE to have the member list be TRUE hiro fans only. (we're so small in numbers, ne?)
i have been so busy lately that i have not been able to read many posts other than when i post news i find, but i DID see that one cartoon post you made...
(I LOVE YOU , CALL ME, ETC.) oh my god, i CRACKED UP so hard! you just slay me, issy chan. rick and i had to leave right after i read it so i haven't even been able to respond...but wanted to tell you it just MADE ME LAUGH!!!
you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny, honey.
okay, my dear sis....we'll talk soon. hope you are feeling good (you were tired?). sending lots of kisses....
pssst...and NO WAY are you a second rate hiro fan!!! i KNOW that your concern is that he does not have much screen time...we want to see MORE of our guy. in no way did i mean to suggest that about anyone. i know that everyones concern is BECAUSE they LOVE HIM. :) (...and maybe one or two others....) but we ALL know who is number one.
thanks again, issy, for sharing.
hi reiko san!
I read very interestingly.
I think that his the First phase becomes the Second phase foundation.
Hiro talks by an interview of a newspaper in 2005.
"The circumference let you do it as business, and it was the times when there was not the right that oneself chose.
I thought about the thing which oneself aimed at all the time.
Do I play as a part of entertainment activity as business?Or do I want to master road of a play?
I can change environment where oneself aims at.
Therefore I have begun to walk alone. Without a connection every elaborating.
It is work, Similarly it is the audition that the next work touches.
There is not next if I fail.
From early twenties to around 30 years old, that kind of life continued."
(http://www.nikkansports.com/ns/entertainment/interview/2005/sun050731.html)
I think that he continues following the stance all the time!!
reiko's report is very interesting.!!!!
I look forward to future development.arigatou!!!
れいこさん!
とても興味深く読みました。
私も彼の第一段階は第二段階のいしずえになっていると思います。
彼は2005年新聞のインタビューで話しています。
「周りが商売としてやらせて、自分が選ぶ権利がない時代だった。
自分が目指しているものは何か、考えました。
商売として、芸能活動の一環として芝居をするのか、道としてきわめていきたいのか。
環境というのは、自分がどこを目指しているのかによって変えることができる。
だから一人であるき始めたわけです。コネもなく、一作ごとに。
それは仕事であり、同時に次の仕事が届くかどうかのオーディションでもある。
失敗すれば次はない。
20代前半から30歳ぐらいまで、そういう生活が続きました。」
私は彼がそのスタンスを今もずっと守り続けていると思います。
reikoさんのレポートはとても面白いです。今後の展開がとても楽しみです。どうもありがとう!!
Hi, I came by way of Michi's blog and hope you don't mind my posting my comments. I'm originally from HK now living in the US and I follow the Asian actors intensely especially on actors that I like.
While it's true that the actresses you mentioned have studied overseas, please note that Tony Leung Chiu Wai and Chow Yun Fat have a terrible command of English when they were young. Most Hong Kong people could not speak the language although they may have been able to read it after many years of schooling. Growing up in a British colony does not guarantee that one could converse in English because back in those days, only those working in corporates would have a chance to have English exchanges with the British or American expatriates.
Both Tony Leung and Chow Yun Fat entered the entertainment industry partly because they like acting, but I guarantee you, if they had the stuff to go on to university, they would have. But getting to university is a 1/700 chance and many can't make it. And many barely made it through Form 5 (secondary school before pre-college course) and the majority flunk English.
Chow Yun Fat's English is acquired through private tutors when he was ready to move onto Hollywood. Tony Leung himself is an avid reader and expanded his interests to reading English novels and gradually became competent over the years.
I am amazed with the facility that Hiroyuki put in for his languages. Floored by his English, to put it simply. His Mandarin was sufficient in the Promise and the Chinese audience didn't mind his nor Jang Dong Gun's for that matter because they know they are not Chinese.
The reason Chow Yun Fat and Tony Leung had to have Mandarin dubbers in the past is because it is a general rule for Hong Kong movies to be dubbed in Mandarin and the mainland Chinese audience is relentless about the Hong Kong accents. But in recent works, these two are using their own voices as in HERO, Curse of the Golden Flower, Lust, Caution and etc. That's is why there is such a hoola about Tony Leung in the Battle of Red Cliff by John Woo coming up of him leaving the cast and then returning - because he has to have time to prepare in learning the lines in Mandarin.
Sorry about such a long message. But I have to defend my Hong Kong actors too. hahaha...
his efforts to become known as an 'international' working actor (not just hollywood, i realize) are so admirable. i love where you write that he says...
"therefore, i have begun to walk alone..." because i feel that he is indeed carving out a unique and uncharted path, on many levels.
and i love your words, that his early phases lay the foundation for the next phase. i feel this way too.
rin rin....i so appreciate your feelings and thoughts, as i do NOT know him nearly as well as japan fans. i hope you understand that in no way do i mean to suggest that what i am writing is the CORRECT view. i LOVE to hear what others who might know much more have to say. i ONLY am trying to illustrate what the HOLLYWOOD hurdles he might be encountering, as i understand the INDUSTRY.
what i am trying to shed light on, in this LENGTHY manner, is HOW DIFFICULT it is for ASIAN actors (and actresses) to carve out a path in the hollywood system, by highlighting the VERY FEW asians who HAVE made a mark.
THANK YOU again, and ALWAYS, for helping me to understand our guy, and for the work you do to support him.
as ever, i appreciate that you make the effort to write in english for me. i am amazed by your skill. just like our hiro sama. :)
arigatou, rin rin san.
thanks so much for taking the time to post your comments and ESPECIALLY
for sharing your knowledge with me, and with any hiro fans who might drop in to read this blog. it is SO interesting, what you have SHARED!
please let me be clear....i am VERY much a novice when it comes to asian actors, or even films. so i appreciate ANY information that people can share with me, or with others, as i am exploring this subject.
what i do know a little (and i mean....a LITTLE) about is the way the general 'industry' system works. (or one might say, with regard to 'asians', or women over 40, DOESN'T work)
so i am trying to explore this 'issue' within the context of 'casting' as i understand it, within the hollywood system.
BTW, i LOVE tony, and chow yun is also impressive...but i know LITTLE TO NOTHING about either of them, other than the research i will do before i post. (i WILL be adding them to this 'blog' as i delve into the chinese/hong kong actors, SO ANY HELP you can offer, to correct my mistakes, or oversights is very much APPRECIATED.
your insights were GREAT, and very enlightening, about hong kong actors, and language skills.
i'm so happy you feel that our hiro sama is doing so well with english. and especially nice to hear that you felt he did a good job with his mandarin!
i heard about the 'dubbing' from a friend who is a michelle yeoh fan, and she mentioned it in a very casual, offhand remark and i was quite surprised, but she did say that it was a 'common practice' in hong kong movies. i did not explore it any further. (still working my way thru 'japan'....hee hee). i would very much
appreciate ANY sort of insights or corrections you have, as i do begin (soon)
to delve into the chinese actors. so PLEASE feel free to step in, should you care to read any of those posts.
and finally....battle of red cliff....WOW...what a mess. chow is in.
tony's in. tony's out. takeshi's in. chow is out. tony is in. what on EARTH
is that all about?
so nice to 'meet' you, gakinme. and thanks again, for taking the time to share your knowledge and thoughts.
I'm glad you didn't take offence on my defence for my favorite HK actors...haha...Btw, if you don't mind my plugging, I write about Chinese film actors in particular in my blog and the industry at large being affected by the Chinese market. I often shred the movies in pieces by the time I finish reviewing them but I'm sure if you are beginning to explore good quality Chinese films, you might enjoy reading my blog too. I don't watch too many comedic pieces and definitely not trash that's the majority of HK movies. I shy away from teenage dramas or movies from Japan and Korea unless I accidently bump into one and like it. That's why it's like a breath of fresh air when I found Hiroyuki Sanada, that Japan has someone as fluent in acting as Tony Leung and Chow Yun Fat. Nice change. Don't forget to check out Sean Lau, Francis Ng, Andy Lau. They are the best HK has to offer for the longest time and their movies are still the only ones worth watching these days (if you are older than a teenager). For Korea, check out Jang Dong Gun and Lee Byung Hun's work.
My blog: http://www.wretch.cc/blog/gakinme